# Breakout Grant for Resilient Communication Infrastructure _General · started by orogeny on Thu, Jun 25, 2026 4:06 AM_ Tags: Discussion --- ## Original post **orogeny** · Thu, Jun 25, 2026 4:06 AM Hi! been a lurker here for a bit but I saw this communication infrastructure grant that seems like it could be a good boost for reticulum based projects. -https://splintercon.net/breakout/ --- ## Reply 1 **aetherlab** · Thu, Jun 25, 2026 5:10 AM Oyeah, the boost will be soooo goood... Straight into oblivion! Have a good day, Mr. Lurker... [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EQualitie](url) More of Vitaliev's "equality"crap - [https://comunicacioncontrapoder.ecoarglobal.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/TP_XOR_CP_Dossier-Prensa_-EN-1.pdf](url) Reticulum does not need grants. It needs people, doing it - building, investing personally time, effort, money, becoming OWNERS of their means, and not slaves to the next "benefactor of the oppressed". It needs solidarity - not in the French meaning, but in the Slavic - merger of gifts, сливане на даровете. When everyone GIFTS others with what is his, what he can, what he has. This is how it will work, this is how it will stay independent. By being everyone's at the same time. Ownership is all. --- ## Reply 2 **batrat** · Thu, Jun 25, 2026 6:44 AM Yeah, I'm kind of skeptical too about grants of this kind. The public sphere of money seems to be too corrupted for that... --- ## Reply 3 **aetherlab** · Thu, Jun 25, 2026 7:32 AM Money is not public. It is by design private. And granting is just that - I will give you money, under my conditions and withing my expectations. I will not do any work myself, but I will have the power to make you do work, expect results, expect them to be aligned with my goals and expectations. When I "grant" my personal finances to the reticulum project, how do I do it? By developing, building and deploying HW in my community. And I grant it to others, by sharing my designs, helping with my experience, knowledge. If I have the will and capability to help directly, I would not use money - I would use the fruits of my labor. This contains the full responsibility for what I do and how i do it within my own realm. This is a responsible, overt, honest gift. Not a covert by source and interest, entangled in shady conditions and not explicitly stated in responsibility grant. --- ## Reply 4 **batrat** · Thu, Jun 25, 2026 7:53 AM Well by "public" I guess I meant "institutional", but that term has problems too. But you are right, there are far better ways to give, though I don't think anonymous monetary support (eg Monero) is bad either? --- ## Reply 5 **batrat** · Thu, Jun 25, 2026 7:54 AM Of course, giving money is often outsourcing the responsibility of actually building the tool. But some don't have the skills or time to do that. --- ## Reply 6 **aetherlab** · Thu, Jun 25, 2026 8:12 AM Of course stuff like Buy me a coffee is good for helping good people out. But consider this - one can truly focus and bring in the open a financing campaign. Let's say you want to help a small Reticulum community, that is not blessed by having amongst them anyone with sufficient knowledge and capacity to actually create a meaningful, stable network deployment, but they have the will to act and maybe the capacity to host it, say within their own private homes. They need help, and help might come in the form of work and money spent on them. Say several of us build them mobile nodes, others stationary ones, like aethernodes, others help them with buying and maybe helping them set up and upkeep a local TCP Backbone, prop, echobot server. This is a true "grant" for me. Of course the whole community can choose to share the load and gather money for the project by any means available to us, be it BMaC or Monero, or whatever. The source of the money will be clear, the goals will be clear, there will be no "conditions" of grant, because we all have the same goal - to help each other gain true freedom of communicating, by owning our means to. Or at least make a step in this way. We all have a very, very long way to go... This is true PUBLIC financing, and not institutional one. --- ## Reply 7 **Anonymous** · Thu, Jun 25, 2026 8:16 AM OK, apart from Reticulum not needing it ... What's the concrete criticism about that grant and the people behind it? --- ## Reply 8 **Anonymous** · Thu, Jun 25, 2026 8:25 AM **aetherlab** wrote: > Oyeah, the boost will be soooo goood... Straight into oblivion! Have a good day, Mr. Lurker... > [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EQualitie](url) > More of Vitaliev's "equality"crap - [https://comunicacioncontrapoder.ecoarglobal.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/TP_XOR_CP_Dossier-Prensa_-EN-1.pdf](url) > Reticulum does not need grants. It needs people, doing it - building, investing personally time, effort, money, becoming OWNERS of their means, and not slaves to the next "benefactor of the oppressed". It needs solidarity - not in the French meaning, but in the Slavic - merger of gifts, сливане на даровете. When everyone GIFTS others with what is his, what he can, what he has. This is how it will work, this is how it will stay independent. By being everyone's at the same time. Ownership is all. I dont get it. Why are you mad about this ngo and it funding software projects? I appreciate and share your view on solidarity, but why does it have to be a contradiction to also receive grants? Money buys time developers would have to spend on working on other projects to survive. Having a sustainable financial situation is crucial to a stable and reliable software project. --- ## Reply 9 **aetherlab** · Thu, Jun 25, 2026 8:42 AM Maybe because NGO's and their grants have been the prime conduit (after overt all out invasion/war and financial suffocation/pressure) of the total planned degradation and corruption of man, culture and true value the western and most of the eastern world has been progressively drowning into for the last 40 years? I don't have a sustainable financial situation, yet I have a lot to give away. No strings attached. --- ## Reply 10 **welo** · Thu, Jun 25, 2026 10:20 AM ignoring everything above, does reticulum even need it? who gets it, for what reason? What actually needs to built? I think grants are fine personally but there would have to be a reason for it --- ## Reply 11 **Anonymous** · Thu, Jun 25, 2026 11:15 AM **welo** wrote: > ignoring everything above, does reticulum even need it? who gets it, for what reason? What actually needs to built? I think grants are fine personally but there would have to be a reason for it Well, for example it could have supported a certain persons life, so they could have developed it full time without having to sell their house :) I can see a lot of good things to potentially come out of a grant. But "needed" idk. Also, who would even want to apply for it, as in do the work required for the application. And who could then even receive the grant? Its a very theoretical discussion tbh ^^ --- ## Reply 12 **Anonymous** · Thu, Jun 25, 2026 11:17 AM **aetherlab** wrote: > Maybe because NGO's and their grants have been the prime conduit (after overt all out invasion/war and financial suffocation/pressure) of the total planned degradation and corruption of man, culture and true value the western and most of the eastern world has been progressively drowning into for the last 40 years? I don't have a sustainable financial situation, yet I have a lot to give away. No strings attached. Still dont get it tbh. But sure, being independent is great! --- ## Reply 13 **aetherlab** · Thu, Jun 25, 2026 11:53 AM It surely beats being owned. At least for me. --- ## Reply 14 **Sojourner** · Thu, Jun 25, 2026 12:05 PM **aetherlab** wrote: > Maybe because NGO's and their grants have been the prime conduit (after overt all out invasion/war and financial suffocation/pressure) of the total planned degradation and corruption of man, culture and true value the western and most of the eastern world has been progressively drowning into for the last 40 years? I don't have a sustainable financial situation, yet I have a lot to give away. No strings attached. .. that's a lot.. as someone who's had rather positive experiences with both grants and NGO's, could you share some pointers to expand my view on this? --- ## Reply 15 **Mark** · Thu, Jun 25, 2026 12:53 PM If someone truly "doesn't get" what aetherlab is saying, here's a fun story, and I'm not making this up. I was offered a 50,000 euro grant by an NGO. That's *a lot* of money to me. I could have survived for a long time on that money. And superficially, it was made to look as if it came more or less without conditions. You can hopefully see the stakes are very real for me here, and to even consider foregoing 50,000 euros, there's probably some good reasons involved. I said no. I've also said no to venture capital offers much larger than that. Don't for a moment think that any of these organizations exist for the beauty of your kind eyes. I don't care what others deem right or wrong, or what sources they deem acceptable, but the only donations *I* am personally interested in, are those given freely by real people, who are not trying to buy control, influence, and a way to further their organizational or corporate agendas. And for *those* donations, I am immesurably grateful. While I could absolutely use more donations at this point, and am really living on next to nothing, I'm not gonna take it in exchange for potential future dues of control and organizational/corporate ownership. PS: Also please do shut up with the "wHy ArE yOu mAD?" emotion projections. --- ## Reply 16 **Anonymous** · Thu, Jun 25, 2026 6:00 PM I dont want to judge and I have no reason to. There are good arguments for taking, refusing or ignoring grants, and all are valid in their own way. I just dont understand the generalistic perspective but its also not too important to me to fight over it, I just have a different opinion I think. I dont fully understand what you mean with emotion projection but I am in fact, genuinely, wondering where the negative emotions against this specific organization comes from. Like, I would like to know if this is something to stay away from. Or is it because you generally dislike ngos? The links dont give me any hints. --- ## Reply 17 **Anonymous** · Thu, Jun 25, 2026 7:03 PM Looks like some sort of mistunderstanding, no? -- One of the many fun side effects of being overly cryptic. There are undoubtly organisations being marketed as "NGO", while what they're actually doing is lobbying for any old nasty issue for whoever's paying, or even driving their own opaque agenda. There are also organisations labeled "NGO" who feed the homeless, shelter abuse victims, advocate for human and digital rights and a plethora of other good things (lacking any serious financing, of course). It is the *concrete* criticism that gives others at least the chance to follow one's train of thought. And, yeah, if somebody wants to throw shitloads of money your way, they usually want something in return. --- ## Reply 18 **Anonymous** · Thu, Jun 25, 2026 7:56 PM https://liberapay.com/Reticulum/ I will just leave this here :) --- ## Reply 19 **Puint** · Sat, Jun 27, 2026 6:41 PM Is liberapay the preferred way to financially support the project? I see other ways listed as well, but what is best or preferred? Probably a question to Mark directly, I guess. --- ## Reply 20 **welo** · Sun, Jun 28, 2026 12:12 PM There's also https://ko-fi.com/markqvist if you would rather do a one time donation rather than a monthly one ---